Elizabeth Hagan is a graduate of Duke Divinity School and has been a pastor for 15 years. She saw - and personally experienced - the isolation, loneliness, and shame that remains unspoken when Christians shy away from difficult conversations. She knew that the church could do better to foster a sense of acceptance and belonging. So she wrote Brave Church to open the door to the presence of God in difficult conversations.

Listen in as I chat with Elizabeth about her new book, Brave Church and her vision about a place where people don't have to check out their issues at the church door, because the community can talk through tough topics in a context of respect, vulnerability, and kindness, learning and exercising love for neighbor.

Learn more: https://elizabethhagan.com/bravechurch/.

Talk to Elizabeth on Twitter: https://twitter.com/elizabethagan

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