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Relational Theology, Queer Hermeneutics, and Music with Dirk von der Horst, pt. 3

April 01, 2020

Show Notes

This is the third and final part of my conversation with Dirk von der Horst. Make sure to go and listen to the first two parts! We wrap up the segment on David and Jonathan texts, and learn about how Dirk uses music (church anthems, in particular) as a mediator between him and the biblical texts. There is a lot of interplay between the texts, how composers interpreted the text, how scores are interpreted, and how each listener hears a piece, particularly queer listeners. Put on your musical interpretation caps and get ready!

Suzanne G. Cusick: "On a Lesbian Relation with Music: A Serious Effort Not to Think Straight," in Queering the Pitch: The New Gay and Lesbian Musicology

Susan McClary: Feminine Endings: Music, Gender, and Sexuality

Claire Detels: "Autnomous/Formalist Aesthetic, Music Theory, and the Feminist Paradigm of Soft Boundaries," Journal of Aesthetics and Art Criticism 52:1 (1994).

To contact Dirk von der Horst, find him on Twitter:

Seminary for the Rest of Us, where everyone is welcome to God-talk, is hosted by Sabrina Reyes-Peters, sound engineered by Mason Mennenga, web engineered by Charles Peters, and the theme music is by Matthew Scott. Find us on Twitter: @seminaryshow. Contact:


Music by Matthew Scott

Special thanks to Mason Mennenga, who mixed the show, and to Charlie, who needs to give all of these development projects a rest and get some sleep.